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Oral history transcript, H.A. (Tony) Ziegler, interview 2 (II), 2/14/1979, by Michael L. Gillette
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- , let's say, in this connection? Z: Well, I don't know how you would express it, but Catherine had that feeling--I think I told you--the first time she ever met him and we went down to San Antonio with Lyndon and Lady Bird for dinner. Lyndon and I went